Board of directors (11)
Directors with a Section 16 filing in the last 13 months. “Since” is the first filing as a director; SEC data sets start in 2016.
Executive officers (7)
Company facts
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- In S&P 500 since
- Nov 2026
- Incorporated in
- DE
- Fiscal year ends
- January
- SEC industry
- Services-Prepackaged Software
- SEC filings
- EDGAR
Connections to other S&P 500 companies
Current directors and officers who also hold a role at another S&P 500 company.
Major holders (5% or more)
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Insider trades
Open-market purchases and sales reported on Form 4. Grants, option exercises and tax withholding are excluded.
| Date | Insider | Type | Shares | Price | Value |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Oct 8, 2026 | Shibu Ninan Chief Accounting Officer | Sale | 2,002 | $220.00 | $440K |
| Oct 7, 2026 | Shibu Ninan Chief Accounting Officer | Sale | 2,700 | $216.35 | $584K |
| Oct 7, 2026 | Shibu Ninan Chief Accounting Officer | Sale | 7,875 | $217.62 | $1.7M |
| Oct 7, 2026 | Shibu Ninan Chief Accounting Officer | Sale | 2,100 | $218.20 | $458K |
| Sep 22, 2026 | Todd McKinnon Chief Executive Officer | Sale | 1,847 | $197.79 | $365K |
| Sep 22, 2026 | Todd McKinnon Chief Executive Officer | Sale | 4,793 | $189.04 | $906K |
| Sep 22, 2026 | Todd McKinnon Chief Executive Officer | Sale | 6,961 | $190.05 | $1.3M |
| Sep 22, 2026 | Todd McKinnon Chief Executive Officer | Sale | 3,970 | $190.81 | $758K |
| Sep 22, 2026 | Todd McKinnon Chief Executive Officer | Sale | 5,337 | $192.02 | $1.0M |
| Sep 22, 2026 | Todd McKinnon Chief Executive Officer | Sale | 4,558 | $192.88 | $879K |
| Sep 22, 2026 | Todd McKinnon Chief Executive Officer | Sale | 2,101 | $194.24 | $408K |
| Sep 22, 2026 | Todd McKinnon Chief Executive Officer | Sale | 3,194 | $195.46 | $624K |
| Sep 22, 2026 | Todd McKinnon Chief Executive Officer | Sale | 9,996 | $196.24 | $2.0M |
| Sep 22, 2026 | Todd McKinnon Chief Executive Officer | Sale | 6,065 | $197.20 | $1.2M |
| Sep 18, 2026 | Eric Robert Kelleher See Remarks | Sale | 1,495 | $182.23 | $272K |
| Sep 18, 2026 | Eric Robert Kelleher See Remarks | Sale | 3,244 | $183.37 | $595K |
| Sep 18, 2026 | Eric Robert Kelleher See Remarks | Sale | 100 | $188.56 | $19K |
| Sep 18, 2026 | Eric Robert Kelleher See Remarks | Sale | 300 | $185.65 | $56K |
| Sep 18, 2026 | Eric Robert Kelleher See Remarks | Sale | 300 | $186.70 | $56K |
| Sep 18, 2026 | Eric Robert Kelleher See Remarks | Sale | 956 | $184.26 | $176K |
| Sep 11, 2026 | Eric Robert Kelleher See Remarks | Sale | 2,549 | $168.55 | $430K |
| Sep 2, 2026 | Brett Tighe Chief Financial Officer | Sale | 12,352 | $161.05 | $2.0M |
| Sep 2, 2026 | Brett Tighe Chief Financial Officer | Sale | 13,100 | $162.32 | $2.1M |
| Sep 2, 2026 | Brett Tighe Chief Financial Officer | Sale | 10,799 | $162.98 | $1.8M |
| Sep 2, 2026 | Brett Tighe Chief Financial Officer | Sale | 2,500 | $164.04 | $410K |
Board and executive changes
Every 8-K with Item 5.02 (departure, election or appointment of directors and officers). The text is the first paragraph of the item.
- Sep 18, 2026
Departure of Director; Appointment of New Director On September 14, 2026 , Emilie Choi, a Class I director of the Board of Directors (the “Board”) of Okta, Inc. (the “Company”), provided notice that she would resign from the Board, effective that day. Ms. Choi’s resignation is not the result of disagreement with the Company on any matters relating to its operations, policies or practices. The Board expresses its appreciation for Ms. Choi’s service to the Company and her invaluable contributions to the Board. Additionally, on September 17, 2026, the Board, upon the recommendation of its Compensation and Corporate Governance Committee, appointed Helen Riley as an independent director of the Company, effective September 18, 2026. The Board appointed Ms.
Read the 8-K filing - Jun 23, 2026
On June 18, 2026, at the 2026 annual meeting of stockholders (the “Annual Meeting”) of Okta, Inc. (the “Company”), the Company’s stockholders approved an amendment (the “Amendment”) to the Okta, Inc. 2017 Equity Incentive Plan (the “2017 Equity Incentive Plan”). The Company’s Board of Directors (the “Board”) previously approved the Amendment, which became effective immediately following stockholder approval. The key features of the Amendment, as approved, include: • removal of the termination date, such that the 2017 Equity Incentive Plan will continue until terminated by the Board; • removal of the existing “evergreen” provision that provided for automatic annual increases to the shares of Class A common stock reserved for issuance; and • removal of liberal share recycling for stock options and stock appreciation rights.
Read the 8-K filing - Apr 22, 2026
On April 22, 2026, Okta, Inc. (the “Company”) announced that Larissa Schwartz intends to leave her role as Chief Legal Officer and Corporate Secretary effective as of July 31, 2026. In connection with Ms. Schwartz’s expected departure, the Company and Ms. Schwartz have entered into a transition and separation agreement dated April 21, 2026, pursuant to which she will (i) continue employment in her current role through July 31, 2026 and be paid her current annual base salary and (ii) thereafter continue employment as a senior advisor to the Company through January 31, 2027 and be paid a base salary of $21,483 per month. During her continued employment through January 31, 2027, Ms. Schwartz will also continue to be eligible for benefits and vest into Company equity awards in accordance with their terms. In addition, Ms.
Read the 8-K filing - Mar 23, 2026
Departure of Director On March 19, 2026, Jeff Epstein informed Okta, Inc. (the “Company”) that he would resign from the Board of Directors (the “Board”) of the Company, effective at the Company's 2026 annual meeting of stockholders currently planned to be held on June 18, 2026. Mr. Epstein’s departure is not the result of any disagreement with the Company. The Board expresses its appreciation for Mr. Epstein’s service to the Company and his invaluable contributions to the Board.
Read the 8-K filing - Mar 11, 2026
Departure of Director On March 5, 2026, Michael Stankey informed Okta, Inc. (the “Company”) of his resignation from the Board of Directors (the “Board”) of the Company. Mr. Stankey’s departure is not the result of any disagreement with the Company. The Board expresses its appreciation for Mr. Stankey’s service to the Company and his invaluable contributions to the Board.
Read the 8-K filing - Dec 19, 2025
Appointment of New Directors; Departure of Director On December 18, 2025, the Board of Directors (the “Board”) of Okta, Inc. (the “Company”), upon the recommendation of its Nominating and Corporate Governance Committee (the “Nominating Committee”), expanded the size of the Board from 10 to 11 directors and appointed Rob Bernshteyn and Paul Sagan as independent directors to the Board, effective December 19, 2025. Mr. Bernshteyn was appointed as a Class II director to serve until the Company’s 2028 Annual Meeting of Stockholders and Mr. Sagan was appointed as a Class I director to serve until the Company’s 2027 Annual Meeting of Stockholders, each to hold such office until his successor has been duly elected and qualified, or until his earlier death, resignation or removal. The Board appointed Mr. Bernshteyn to the Audit Committee and the Cybersecurity Risk Committee and appointed Mr.
Read the 8-K filing - Aug 14, 2025
Appointment of New Directors On August 11, 2025 , the Board of Directors (the “Board”) of Okta, Inc. (the “Company”), upon the recommendation of its Nominating and Corporate Governance Committee, expanded the size of the Board from eight to ten directors and appointed David Schellhase as an independent director and Mary Agnes (Maggie) Wilderotter as a non-independent director to the Board, effective August 13, 2025. Mr. Schellhase was appointed as a Class III director to serve until the Company’s 2026 Annual Meeting of Stockholders and Ms. Wilderotter was appointed as a Class II director to serve until the Company's 2028 Annual Meeting of Stockholders, each to hold such office until his or her successor has been duly elected and qualified, or until his or her earlier death, resignation or removal. The Board also appointed Mr.
Read the 8-K filing - Jun 25, 2025
Departure of Director On June 20, 2025, Benjamin Horowitz informed Okta, Inc. (the “Company”) that he would resign from the Board of Directors (the “Board”) of the Company, effective at the Company's 2025 annual meeting of stockholders on June 24, 2025 (the “Annual Meeting”). As a result of Mr. Horowitz’s resignation, the Board reduced its size from nine to eight directors. Mr. Horowitz’s departure is not the result of any disagreement with the Company. The Board expresses its appreciation for Mr. Horowitz’s service to the Company and his invaluable contributions to the Board.
Read the 8-K filing - Feb 10, 2025
Appointment of Principal Operating Officer On February 10, 2025, Okta, Inc. (the “Company”) announced that Eric Kelleher, age 53, became the Company’s President and Chief Operating Officer (“COO”) on February 1, 2025. In this position, he will serve as the Company’s principal operating officer. Mr. Kelleher previously served as the Company’s President, Customer Experience and Communication from February 2024 to January 2025, as Chief Customer Officer from October 2020 to January 2024, as Senior Vice President, Customer First from December 2019 to September 2020, and as Senior Vice President, Global Services from October 2016 to December 2019. Prior to joining the Company, Mr.
Read the 8-K filing - Jun 24, 2024
Appointment of New Director On June 20, 2024, the Board of Directors (the “Board”) of Okta, Inc. (the “Company”), upon the recommendation of the Board’s Nominating and Corporate Governance Committee, expanded the size of the Board to ten directors and appointed Anthony Bates to the Board as a Class III director, effective June 21, 2024. Mr. Bates will serve until the Company’s 2026 Annual Meeting of Stockholders or until his successor has been duly elected and qualified, or until his earlier death, resignation or removal. There is no arrangement or understanding between Mr. Bates and any other persons pursuant to which he was appointed as a director. Furthermore, there are no transactions between Mr. Bates and the Company that would be required to be reported under Item 404(a) of Regulation S-K. Mr.
Read the 8-K filing - Aug 30, 2023
On August 24, 2023, J. Frederic Kerrest, the Company’s Executive Vice Chairman, Chief Operating Officer and Co-founder, notified the Company that he will not return as an employee from his current sabbatical, which ends on October 31, 2023. Mr. Kerrest will continue to serve as a member of the Company’s board of directors as Vice Chairman. In connection with the foregoing, in lieu of receiving an initial RSU grant as a non-employee director, Mr. Kerrest has agreed to forfeit 76,549 stock options that are out of the money, and his outstanding RSUs and 5,963 stock options will vest in accordance with their original terms.
Read the 8-K filing - Apr 28, 2023
On April 25, 2023, Patrick Grady informed Okta, Inc. (the “Company”) that he will not stand for re-election to the Board of Directors of the Company (the “Board”) at the Company’s 2023 Annual Meeting of Stockholders (the “Annual Meeting”). Mr. Grady will continue to serve as a director until the expiration of his current term at the Annual Meeting. Mr. Grady’s departure is not the result of any disagreement with the Company. The Board expresses its appreciation for Mr. Grady’s service to the Company and his invaluable contributions to the Board.
Read the 8-K filing - Mar 1, 2023
On March 1, 2023, the Company announced that Jonathan Runyan is retiring from the role of General Counsel and Corporate Secretary effective as of March 3, 2023, following over eight years with the Company. In connection with Mr. Runyan’s resignation, the Company and Mr. Runyan have entered into a transition agreement dated February 27, 2023, pursuant to which he will serve the Company as an advisor through September 15, 2023. Under the transition agreement entered into with Mr. Runyan, he will continue employment as an advisor through September 15, 2023, and be paid his annual base salary, be eligible for benefits and vest into Company equity awards, in each case, at the rate in effect prior to his resignation. The Company also announced that Larissa Schwartz, age 51, will succeed Mr. Runyan and become the Company’s new Chief Legal Officer and Corporate Secretary on March 3, 2023. Ms.
Read the 8-K filing - Nov 30, 2022
On November 30, 2022, the Company announced that Susan St. Ledger, President, Worldwide Field Operations, intends to retire from her position with the Company effective as of January 31, 2023, the end of the Company’s fiscal year 2023. Pursuant to a Separation Agreement and Release, dated November 28, 2022, between the Company and Ms. St. Ledger (the “Agreement”), Ms. St. Ledger will cease being an executive officer and President, Worldwide Field Operations effective as of the end of the day on January 31, 2023, and beginning February 1, 2023 will remain a non-executive employee to provide such transition and advisory services as requested by the Company through the earlier of (i) September 30, 2023 (the “Separation Date”) and (ii) such earlier date as determined by the Company or Ms. St. Ledger. Ms. St.
Read the 8-K filing - Aug 31, 2022
On August 31, 2022, the Company announced that J. Frederic Kerrest, the Company’s Executive Vice Chairman, Chief Operating Officer and Co-founder intends to take a sabbatical. During the sabbatical, Mr. Kerrest will remain an at-will employee of the Company but will not fulfill any of his regular duties as an employee. The sabbatical will begin November 1, 2022 and continue through October 31, 2023. Mr. Kerrest will remain Executive Vice Chairman and continue to serve as a member of the Company’s board of directors. The Company has entered into a sabbatical letter agreement with Mr. Kerrest. Under the terms of the sabbatical letter agreement, Mr. Kerrest will not be paid his base salary during the term of the sabbatical. Mr.
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- Aug 22, 2022
Appointment of New Director Effective August 19, 2022, the Board of Directors (the “ Board ”) of Okta, Inc. (the “ Company ”), upon the recommendation of the Board’s Nominating and Corporate Governance Committee, expanded the size of the Board to ten members and appointed Emilie Choi to the Board as a Class I director. Ms. Choi will serve until the Company’s 2024 Annual Meeting of Stockholders or until her successor has been duly elected and qualified. There is no arrangement or understanding between Ms. Choi and any other persons pursuant to which she was appointed as a director. Furthermore, there are no transactions between Ms. Choi and the Company that would be required to be reported under Item 404(a) of Regulation S-K. Ms. Choi will participate in the Company’s standard non-employee director compensation arrangements.
Read the 8-K filing - Jul 18, 2022
Appointment of Principal Accounting Officer On July 18, 2022, Okta, Inc. (the “ Company ”) announced that Shibu Ninan was appointed to the position of Chief Accounting Officer effective August 15, 2022. In this position, he will serve as the Company’s principal accounting officer. Christopher Kramer will cease serving in the capacity of principal accounting officer of the Company upon the effective date of Mr. Ninan’s appointment and will assume a role on the Company’s Financial Planning & Analysis team. Prior to his current role, Mr. Ninan, 47, served as Vice President, Chief Accounting Officer at Veritas Technologies LLC, a data management company, from July 2015 to August 2022 and as Chief Accounting Officer at Saba Software, Inc., a cloud-based intelligent talent management solutions company acquired by Cornerstone OnDemand, Inc., from November 2013 to June 2015.
Read the 8-K filing - Apr 29, 2022
On April 27, 2022, Michelle Wilson informed Okta, Inc. (the “Company”) that she will not stand for re-election to the Board of Directors of the Company (the “Board”) at the Company’s 2022 Annual Meeting of Stockholders (the “Annual Meeting”) to focus more time on her family. Ms. Wilson will continue to serve as a director until the expiration of her current term at the Annual Meeting. Ms. Wilson’s departure is not the result of any disagreement with the Company. The Board expresses its appreciation for Ms. Wilson’s service to the Company and her invaluable contributions to the Board.
Read the 8-K filing - Jan 28, 2022
Chief Financial Officer Appointment On January 28, 2022, Okta, Inc. (the “ Company ”) announced that Brett Tighe, age 42, who had been serving as the Company’s Chief Financial Officer on an interim basis since June 1, 2021, was appointed as the Company’s permanent Chief Financial Officer effective January 28, 2022. Prior to his current role, Mr. Tighe served as the Company’s Senior Vice President of Finance and Treasurer since May 2017, Vice President, FP&A from June 2016 to May 2017, and as head of worldwide FP&A from April 2015 to May 2016. From May 2004 to March 2015, Mr. Tighe served in various finance roles, most recently as Senior Director, Corporate Finance & Strategy, at salesforce.com, inc., a cloud-based customer relationship management company. Mr.
Read the 8-K filing - May 26, 2021
Appointment of New Director Effective May 25, 2021, the Board of Directors (the “ Board ”) of Okta, Inc. (the “ Company ”), upon the recommendation of the Board’s Nominating and Corporate Governance Committee, expanded the size of the Board to ten members and appointed Jeff Epstein to the Board as a Class II director. Mr. Epstein will serve until the Company’s 2022 Annual Meeting of Stockholders or until his successor has been duly elected and qualified. Mr. Epstein was appointed to the Board’s Audit Committee and succeeded Shellye Archambeau as its Chairperson. Ms. Archambeau remains a member of the Audit Committee. There is no arrangement or understanding between Mr. Epstein and any other persons pursuant to which Mr. Epstein was appointed as a director. Furthermore, there are no transactions between Mr.
Read the 8-K filing - Dec 2, 2020
On December 2, 2020, the Company announced that William E. Losch intends to retire from the role of Chief Financial Officer in early March 2021 after the filing of the Company’s Form 10-K following over seven years as Chief Financial Officer of the Company. Mr. Losch plans to remain as an advisor to the Company through the end of the Company’s first quarter fiscal 2022. The Company also announced that Michael Kourey, age 61, will succeed Mr. Losch as the Company’s new Chief Financial Officer in early March 2021. Mr. Kourey, who has been a member of the Company’s Board of Directors since October 2015, served as the Chair of the Company’s Audit Committee until he stepped down from the committee on November 30, 2020 in connection with this transition. From January 2019 through December 1, 2020, Mr.
Read the 8-K filing - May 28, 2020
On May 26, 2020, Charles Race, the Company's President, Worldwide Field Operations, notified the Company that he intends to retire from his position with the Company early in the Company's fiscal year 2022, following a transition period.
Read the 8-K filing - Apr 16, 2020
On April 15, 2020, the Compensation Committee of the Board of Directors of Okta, Inc. (the “Company”) adopted a program to allow its executive officers to voluntarily elect to receive up to one hundred percent of their salaries, for the period from May 1, 2020 through January 31, 2021, in the form of restricted stock units (“RSUs”). All of the named executive officers in the Company’s proxy statement filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on May 2, 2019 elected to receive 100% of their salaries in RSUs. The RSUs were granted on April 15, 2020.
Read the 8-K filing - Oct 2, 2019
(c) Appointment of Principal Accounting Officer On October 1, 2019, Okta, Inc. (the “ Company ”) appointed Christopher K. Kramer, currently the Company’s Vice President, Controller, to the position of Chief Accounting Officer. In this position, Mr. Kramer will serve as the Company’s principal accounting officer. William E. Losch, the Company’s Chief Financial Officer, ceased serving in the capacity of principal accounting officer upon the effectiveness of Mr. Kramer’s appointment, but continues to serve as the Company’s Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Kramer, 48, served as the Company’s Vice President, Controller from June 2016 to October 2019 and as the Company’s Controller from May 2014 to June 2016. From April 2013 to May 2014, Mr. Kramer served as Vice President, Corporate Controller of Cyan, Inc., a global supplier of software-defined networks. From December 2008 to April 2013, Mr.
Read the 8-K filing - Jun 17, 2019
Appointment of New Director Effective on June 14, 2019, the Board of Directors of Okta, Inc. (the “ Company ”), upon the recommendation of the Nominating and Corporate Governance Committee, expanded the size of the Board of Directors (the “ Board ”) to ten members and appointed Robert L. Dixon, Jr. to the Board as a Class III director. Mr. Dixon will serve until the 2020 Annual Meeting of Stockholders or until his successor has been duly elected and qualified. Mr. Dixon was appointed to the Compensation Committee of the Board. There is no arrangement or understanding between Mr. Dixon and any other persons pursuant to which Mr. Dixon was appointed as a director. Furthermore, there are no transactions between Mr. Dixon and the Company that would be required to be reported under Item 404(a) of Regulation S-K. Mr.
Read the 8-K filing - Mar 27, 2019
This filing amends Item 5.02 of the Current Report on Form 8-K of Okta, Inc. (the “Company”) filed on January 22, 2019. Effective March 21, 2019, Rebecca Saeger was appointed to the Compensation Committee and the Nominating and Corporate Governance Committee of the Board of Directors of the Company.
Read the 8-K filing - Mar 27, 2019
This filing amends Item 5.02 of the Current Report on Form 8-K of Okta, Inc. (the “Company”) filed on December 13, 2018. Effective March 21, 2019, Shellye Archambeau was appointed to the Audit Committee of the Board of Directors of the Company.
Read the 8-K filing - Mar 7, 2019
(e) On March 5, 2019 , the Compensation Committee of the Board of Directors of Okta, Inc. (the “Company”) adopted and approved the Company’s Amended and Restated Senior Executive Incentive Bonus Plan (the “Plan”), to provide the Company with discretion to make payments under the Plan in the form of shares of the Company’s Class A common stock (“Common Stock”) or restricted stock units covering the Common Stock (“RSUs”), in addition to cash. For the fiscal year ended January 31, 2019, and for future fiscal years, the Company intends to pay bonuses under the Plan, to the extent earned, in accordance with the terms and conditions of the Plan, in the form of RSUs that are fully vested as of the date of grant. The Company’s Amended and Restated Senior Executive Incentive Bonus Plan referred to in this
Read the 8-K filing - Jan 22, 2019
Appointment of New Director Effective on January 22, 2019, the Board of Directors of Okta, Inc. (“Okta”), upon the recommendation of the Nominating and Corporate Governance Committee, expanded the size of the Board of Directors (the “Board”) to nine members and appointed Rebecca Saeger to the Board as a Class II director. Ms. Saeger will serve until the 2019 annual meeting of stockholders or until her successor has been duly elected and qualified. The Board expects to appoint Ms. Saeger to serve as a member of one or more committees of the Board. There is no arrangement or understanding between Ms. Saeger and any other persons pursuant to which Ms. Saeger was appointed as a director. Furthermore, there are no transactions between Ms. Saeger and Okta that would be required to be reported under Item 404(a) of Regulation S-K. Ms.
Read the 8-K filing - Dec 13, 2018
Appointment of New Director On December 13, 2018, the Board of Directors of Okta, Inc. (“Okta”), upon the recommendation of the Nominating and Corporate Governance Committee, expanded the size of the Board of Directors (the “Board”) to eight members and appointed Shellye Archambeau to the Board as a Class III director, effective December 13, 2018. Ms. Archambeau will serve until the 2020 annual meeting of stockholders or until her successor has been duly elected and qualified. The Board expects to appoint Ms. Archambeau to serve as a member of one or more committees of the Board. There is no arrangement or understanding between Ms. Archambeau and any other persons pursuant to which Ms. Archambeau was appointed as a director. Furthermore, there are no transactions between Ms. Archambeau and Okta that would be required to be reported under Item 404(a) of Regulation S-K. Ms.
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Share price
Annual financials
From the company's 10-K XBRL data (SEC companyfacts).
| Fiscal year | Revenue | Net income | Margin | Diluted EPS | Total assets |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| FY2025 | $2.9B | $235.0M | 8.1% | $1.31 | $9.7B |
| FY2024 | $2.6B | $28.0M | 1.1% | $0.06 | $9.4B |
| FY2023 | $2.3B | -$355.0M | -15.7% | $-2.17 | $9.0B |
| FY2022 | $1.9B | -$815.0M | -43.9% | $-5.16 | $9.3B |
| FY2021 | $1.3B | -$848.0M | -65.2% | $-5.73 | $9.2B |
| FY2020 | $835.0M | -$266.0M | -31.9% | $-2.09 | $3.3B |
| FY2019 | $586.1M | -$208.9M | -35.6% | $-1.78 | $2.0B |
| FY2018 | $399.3M | -$125.5M | -31.4% | $-1.17 | $984.3M |
Former directors and officers (14)
People who stopped filing as an insider of this company. “Last filing” is the last Form 3/4/5, an upper bound on when they left.